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Yes, those links you showed are correct for the new V3 Talion & Kraton shock towers. Although maxspeedpartsde shows the same picture for the V3 Talion shock towers as the Kraton shock towers, they are different (he probably just did not take pics of the new V3 towers). The c/f towers are 5.2mm for both the V3 Talion & Kraton, the same thickness as stock Arrma towers. FYG, the rear Kraton tower weighs 38.6g compared to 62.9g for the stock aluminum shock tower, a big difference. Much stronger and a lot lighter, best of both worlds..
 
Yes, those links you showed are correct for the new V3 Talion & Kraton shock towers. Although maxspeedpartsde shows the same picture for the V3 Talion shock towers as the Kraton shock towers, they are different (he probably just did not take pics of the new V3 towers). The c/f towers are 5.2mm for both the V3 Talion & Kraton, the same thickness as stock Arrma towers. FYG, the rear Kraton tower weighs 38.6g compared to 62.9g for the stock aluminum shock tower, a big difference. Much stronger and a lot lighter, best of both worlds..

Thanks, to you and to arrmaracing for confirming the correct towers. That ebay store sure has a lot of goodies.
Do you run any tower to tower brace with your carbon fiber shock towers ?
 
Thanks, to you and to arrmaracing for confirming the correct towers. That ebay store sure has a lot of goodies.
Do you run any tower to tower brace with your carbon fiber shock towers ?
No problem, we're here to help. Since these V3 Talion carbon fiber shock towers had just been released, and this was "breaking news" (LOL), I just wanted other members to also know, as I gathered there would definitely be some interest on these very strong & light parts. Yes, maxspeed has quite a few goodies, and I could not resist...

No, I don't run a tower to tower brace. After upgrading to carbon fiber towers and aluminum chassis braces on both my V3 Talion & Kraton, I believe both my Arrma's are now stiff enough (new c/f shock towers & HR chassis braces will not flex anymore, so no tower to tower brace is needed). Bring on the the big air jumps...

FYG, Voltage Hobbies who is well respected in the basher community, strongly recommends to "not" use a TOWER TO TOWER BRACE. The following is on their website:

"We don't recommend the use of a "tower to tower brace" as it makes the shock towers and gearbox cases more likely to bend/break under hard impacts/crashes, the reason is most of the energy gets transferred directly to those two parts. We've tested out a tower to tower brace and it does lead to "broken" gearbox cases and "bent" shock towers from our testing. Even high-grade aluminum or carbon fiber shock towers are still prone to bending or snapping (it takes a lot more force for it to happen, but it does). Also we recommend that you run with your wing in place at all times as it acts as a bumper and absorbs most of the impact energy in crashes/rollovers, by doing so you'll better protect your rear shock tower."
 
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No problem, we're here to help. Since these V3 Talion carbon fiber shock towers had just been released, and this was "breaking news" (LOL), I just wanted other members to also know, as I gathered there would definitely be some interest on these very strong & light parts. Yes, maxspeed has quite a few goodies, and I could not resist...

No, I don't run a tower to tower brace. After upgrading to carbon fiber towers and aluminum chassis braces on both my V3 Talion & Kraton, I believe both my Arrma's are now stiff enough (new c/f shock towers & HR chassis braces will not flex anymore, so no tower to tower brace is needed). Bring on the the big air jumps...

FYG, Voltage Hobbies who is well respected in the basher community, strongly recommends to "not" use a TOWER TO TOWER BRACE. The following is on their website:

"We don't recommend the use of a "tower to tower brace" as it makes the shock towers and gearbox cases more likely to bend/break under hard impacts/crashes, the reason is most of the energy gets transferred directly to those two parts. We've tested out a tower to tower brace and it does lead to "broken" gearbox cases and "bent" shock towers from our testing. Even high-grade aluminum or carbon fiber shock towers are still prone to bending or snapping (it takes a lot more force for it to happen, but it does). Also we recommend that you run with your wing in place at all times as it acts as a bumper and absorbs most of the impact energy in crashes/rollovers, by doing so you'll better protect your rear shock tower."

Thanks and yes, I read the Voltage Hobbies note some time ago, started thinking and then these carbon shock towers came up............
I have completely missed out on this, I thought that people bought these chassi braces cause the earlier versions broke (and for looks) and although these braces been resting on my ebay watch list for some time, I have yet not broken a brace on the V3, but was not thinking about the flex. I understand now that you don't want these to flex (as opposed to other things)
So the the Hot Racing front brace would be AON28CT01 and the rear AON30CT01 ?
What about the Voltage Hobbies ones, I guess these would also work ?
 
Thanks and yes, I read the Voltage Hobbies note some time ago, started thinking and then these carbon shock towers came up............
I have completely missed out on this, I thought that people bought these chassi braces cause the earlier versions broke (and for looks) and although these braces been resting on my ebay watch list for some time, I have yet not broken a brace on the V3, but was not thinking about the flex. I understand now that you don't want these to flex (as opposed to other things)
So the the Hot Racing front brace would be AON28CT01 and the rear AON30CT01 ?
What about the Voltage Hobbies ones, I guess these would also work ?

It can be a bit confusing, you want flex here, but not there. If bashing or racing, you always want some "flex" in your suspension arms, which is the main reason to not use aluminum arms, plus the extra weight is not good for racing or even bashing, for that matter.

With shock towers, you always want strength/stiffness, and the reason everyone upgrades their stock composite/plastic or stamped aluminum towers, whether racing or bashing. Many members have bent their stock aluminum towers. This is where carbon fiber shines, as it is much lighter than aluminum, and stronger. This is why I upgraded the shock towers on both my Talion & Kraton, including the steering ackerman, tabs, & front top plate also on my Talion to c/f.

However, if talking chassis & chassis braces, this is where it becomes somewhat debatable. For "Racing", many will not upgrade their stock composite chassis braces to aluminum due to the extra weight and chassis flex is wanted to help keep vehicle more in control over the bumps. This also depends on the quality and design of the chassis, as some chassis have more flex than others. When you are bashing hard, you do not want too much chassis flex, as this can cause damage when landing from big jumps. Again, this may depend on how big of jumps you are doing.

The problem is members have bent their chassis, shock towers and chassis braces, so if using good aftermarket shock towers and aluminum chassis braces, you should solve most issues with too much flex in the chassis, by upgrading your shock towers and chassis braces. The Arrma chassis and shock towers are just stamped aluminum and not very strong, so they can bend easily if bashing hard. Check out Aussie Playground video and he broke his front chassis brace on the V3 Talion the1st run on 6S, trying to land a jump. I believe another member (Dingo?), also broke his V3 chassis brace(s)?

Since the front chassis brace takes much more abuse/impact, I was thinking of "just" upgrading my "FRONT" aluminum chassis braces, to save some weight and also thinking maybe just a little rear flex might be good (again, this can be debatable). However, due to reading that even a member had his GPM rear aluminum chassis brace break (which should be at least stronger than the stock plastic brace), I decided to also upgrade my rear chassis braces on both my Talion & Kraton. Rest assured, although I also like the "Bling" factor, I do not upgrade any parts unless I think there will be a definite advantage by doing so, as I am a gram counter and maybe I'm a bit cheap too...

Yes, those are the correct HR front/rear chassis braces for the V3 Talion, that you show. And yes, Voltage Hobbies braces will also work. Which chassis braces to get is really a personal choice. For strength, Voltage is the top dog, being 7075 T6 aluminum, and if hitting 40-50ft jumps and weight is no concern, this would be a great choice. However, I have not heard anyone bend or break any HR chassis braces, so HR braces are definitely strong and durable enough. Hot Racing braces are cnc machined and heat treated 6061, and HR have spent a lot of time cnc milling and lightening up their braces, so they are definitely "lighter" than Voltage Hobbies, and the reason why I went HR. Nothing wrong with Voltage Hobbies though, as some members prefer their RC parts are "overbuilt", and do not really care about weight. If customer service is your main priority, go with Voltage Hobbies as HR would not have the same service as Kenny at Voltage Hobbies.

I had hoped Voltage Hobbies would offer some lighter V3 Talion parts with more cnc milling, as it is a speed truggy, and I would have then gone for Voltage Hobbies chassis braces. I had also discussed this with PSM, as their 7075-T6 chassis braces would have been the ultimate (very light & strong), and would have been the best match for the carbon fiber towers...

Damn, I could have just said, "flip a coin". One day I will just give a simple yes or no answer...
 
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I just received the following from PSM in Germany.

"We are so busy with our OEM manufacturing, which keeps our full machine lineup still busy for some more months. We just had not the time and capacity to R&D some Arrma parts.
If we develop new products, we do that with full force to make sure the result is something everybody can be happy with and not just a quick shot to serve the demand.

The parts are still on our to do list, but since there are so many other companies now covering most of the parts on your wishlist, we don’t see that beeing super urgent now.
Although, we may work on the parts you have mentioned that are not yet available elsewhere, later this year.

We are always available for custom carbon fiber cutting. So if some forum member can provide a drawing or file, we can cut it for you and make it available to all forum members, even if its not a PSM developed part."

Best Regards,
Stefan


Unfortunately, PSM's reply is not what I was hoping for. We could just let this fade away, however, if we get enough interest/pre-orders for a high end stiff & light 7075 chassis, I will press PSM and hopefully it will become high priority for PSM to make. With all the talk and discussion on this on the forum, I would think there should be a lot in interest on this. Please let me know, and I will do my best to get this done...
 
Thanks for chasing that up rcrod.

Im down for a couple of talion chassis or if i can get 1 talion and 1 kraton that would be even better. Also would be down for a typhon/senton/outcast v3 chassis.
 
Thanks for chasing that up rcrod.

Im down for a couple of talion chassis or if i can get 1 talion and 1 kraton that would be even better. Also would be down for a typhon/senton/outcast v3 chassis.

No problem. Thanks for your reply. When I first contacted PSM, besides no 7075 frame, better pivot balls, better lower hinge pins that don't rust, etc, no-one was making any V3 Talion upgrade parts. Since then, we have a lot of changes, as Hot Racing, Voltage Hobbies, maxspeedpartsde, Xtreme Racing, etc, are now making V3 Talion upgrade parts (shock towers, chassis braces, etc). I advised this to PSM, so I understand their reply.

If we can show them a lot of interest in a PSM 7075 Arrma chassis, I think we can them on board, and then I'm sure we can get even more Arrma chassis made, plus some other high end light and strong PSM parts...

Arrmaracing, thanks for your interest. I'm also in for a either a Kraton or V3 Talion 7075 chassis, or both. Let's see where this goes...

PS, it sounds like PSM could even do a carbon fiber chassis with a scan. This would really lighten up your Arrma, but only if racing or for street speed runs. Although a c/f chassis would be strong enough for bashing, it would get scarred and chipped more easily than aluminum, when bottoming out)
 
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It can be a bit confusing, you want flex here, but not there. If bashing or racing, you always want some "flex" in your suspension arms, which is the main reason to not use aluminum arms, plus the extra weight is not good for racing or even bashing, for that matter.

With shock towers, you always want strength/stiffness, and the reason everyone upgrades their stock composite/plastic or stamped aluminum towers, whether racing or bashing. Many members have bent their stock aluminum towers. This is where carbon fiber shines, as it is much lighter than aluminum, and stronger. This is why I upgraded the shock towers on both my Talion & Kraton, including the steering ackerman, tabs, & front top plate also on my Talion to c/f.

However, if talking chassis & chassis braces, this is where it becomes somewhat debatable. For "Racing", many will not upgrade their stock composite chassis braces to aluminum due to the extra weight and chassis flex is wanted to help keep vehicle more in control over the bumps. This also depends on the quality and design of the chassis, as some chassis have more flex than others. When you are bashing hard, you do not want too much chassis flex, as this can cause damage when landing from big jumps. Again, this may depend on how big of jumps you are doing.

The problem is members have bent their chassis, shock towers and chassis braces, so if using good aftermarket shock towers and aluminum chassis braces, you should solve most issues with too much flex in the chassis, by upgrading your shock towers and chassis braces. The Arrma chassis and shock towers are just stamped aluminum and not very strong, so they can bend easily if bashing hard. Check out Aussie Playground video and he broke his front chassis brace on the V3 Talion the1st run on 6S, trying to land a jump. I believe another member (Dingo?), also broke his V3 chassis brace(s)?

Since the front chassis brace takes much more abuse/impact, I was thinking of "just" upgrading my "FRONT" aluminum chassis braces, to save some weight and also thinking maybe just a little rear flex might be good (again, this can be debatable). However, due to reading that even a member had his GPM rear aluminum chassis brace break (which should be at least stronger than the stock plastic brace), I decided to also upgrade my rear chassis braces on both my Talion & Kraton. Rest assured, although I also like the "Bling" factor, I do not upgrade any parts unless I think there will be a definite advantage by doing so, as I am a gram counter and maybe a bit cheap too...

Yes, those are the correct HR front/rear chassis braces for the V3 Talion. And yes, Voltage Hobbies braces will also work. Which chassis brace to get is a personal choice. For strength, Voltage is the top dog, being 7075 aluminum, and if hitting 40-50ft jumps and weight is no concern, this would be a great choice. However, I have not heard anyone bend or break any HR chassis braces, so HR braces are definitely strong and durable enough. Hot Racing braces are cnc machined and heat treated 6061, and they have spent a lot of time cnc milling and lightening up their braces, so they are definitely "lighter" than Voltage Hobbies, and the reason why I went HR. Nothing wrong with Voltage Hobbies though, as some members prefer their RC parts are "overbuilt", and do not really care about weight. If customer service is your main priority, go with Voltage Hobbies.

I had hoped Voltage Hobbies would offer the V3 Talion parts more milled and lighter to match the new speed truggy theme, and also discussed this with PSM and they were also on board making high end parts, including some 7075 chassis braces for the V3 Talion, which would have been highly milled and much lighter and stronger than HR (& a great match for the carbon fiber towers), but not sure what happened to PSM?

Damn, I could have just said, "flip a coin". One day I will just give a simple yes or no answer...

Thanks for an excellent and very informative answer, hopefully this will be read by other forum members as well and your knowledge will be shared.

I will go for HR, not just because of weight and looks but simply because of the cost of shipping overseas, it's nice that Voltage Hobbies have their own ebay store but i am not really a fan of the global shipping program.

Somewhat good news with PSM, as I wrote earlier I am interested in a Talion V3 chassi.
Are there any CAD drawings available for the chassi ?.
 
No problem. Thanks for your reply. When I first contacted PSM, besides no 7075 frame, better pivot balls, better lower hinge pins that don't rust, etc, no-one was making any V3 Talion upgrade parts. Since then, we have a lot of changes, as Hot Racing, Voltage Hobbies, maxspeedpartsde, Xtreme Racing, etc, are now making V3 Talion upgrade parts (shock towers, chassis braces, etc). I advised this to PSM, so I understand their reply.

If we can show them a lot of interest in a PSM 7075 Arrma chassis, I think we can them on board, and then I'm sure we can get even more Arrma chassis made, plus some other high end light and strong PSM parts...

Arrmaracing, thanks for your interest. I'm also in for a either a Kraton or V3 Talion 7075 chassis, or both. Let's see where this goes...

PS, it sounds like PSM could even do a carbon fiber chassis with a scan. This would really lighten up your Arrma, but only if racing or for street speed runs. Although a c/f chassis would be strong enough for bashing, it would get scarred and chipped more easily than aluminum, when bottoming out)

Man i would be definitely be up for the carbon fiber chassis! If its easier to do how much would it cost each?
 
servalac: Thanks for your nice comments.

A premium Arrma member, Iamtheoutcast has a background in computer drafting and design, and he's working with a 3d printer & 3 axis mill to design parts, and might be able to help. However, he does not have a V3 Talion, so we would need someone else to assist with a chassis, etc. Another forum member, smallhabitat, sent a scan to Dejan at Alza Racing & had V3 Talion 7075 shock towers made, & advised they fit perfect. I'm not exactly sure what is required for a scan & if the chassis needs to be stripped down for this, but gather someone here can help with this.

arrmaracing: Yes, it is much easier for PSM to make a carbon fiber chassis. According to his last comments, he is always available for custom carbon fiber cutting & if a forum member can provide a drawing or file, he can cut it and make it available to all forum members, even if it's not a PSM developed part (I believe the last part, Stefan means he would not be able to do his usual R&D that he does for any new PSM released parts). If you are interested, I will confirm whether Stefan at PSM can cut a V3 Talion carbon fiber chassis? If he cannot do this, other possibilities for a c/f chassis are maxspeedparts, Xtreme Racing, Alza Racing, etc..
 
servalac: Thanks for your nice comments.

A premium Arrma member, Iamtheoutcast has a background in computer drafting and design, and he's working with a 3d printer & 3 axis mill to design parts, and might be able to help. However, he does not have a V3 Talion, so we would need someone else to assist with a chassis, etc. Another forum member, smallhabitat, sent a scan to Dejan at Alza Racing & had V3 Talion 7075 shock towers made, & advised they fit perfect. I'm not exactly sure what is required for a scan & if the chassis needs to be stripped down for this, but gather someone here can help with this.

arrmaracing: Yes, it is much easier for PSM to make a carbon fiber chassis. According to his last comments, he is always available for custom carbon fiber cutting & if a forum member can provide a drawing or file, he can cut it and make it available to all forum members, even if it's not a PSM developed part (I believe the last part, Stefan means he would not be able to do his usual R&D that he does for any new PSM released parts). If you are interested, I will confirm whether Stefan at PSM can cut a V3 Talion carbon fiber chassis? If he cannot do this, other possibilities for a c/f chassis are maxspeedparts, Xtreme Racing, Alza Racing, etc..

It can be easy to have stuff made if you have the correct file. I have several local companies that will cut and make whatever part you like if you have the part drawn up in a CAD drawing file or a cut file. Even if you do scan the parts someone will have to take their time to make a drawing/file. The file also contains all the measurement. Now these local companies livelyhood is to make parts for the industry, they have waterjets and cnc machines and usually the right material is either in their shop or through their supplier. If you just approach them, it's hard, they see no money in it (unless you order a couple of hundred) you simply gotta know someone, and even if you know the guy running the machine that guy may not be the guy that makes the drawings. These local companies use somewhat simple CAD software like Mastercam or some older version of Autocad and that is usually because software along with controller cards are expensive.

Today I left a couple of chassi braces (original plastic) to a friend and asked if he could make some in 7075, he said sure, I just gotta find the time to draw them up. Now I know that I will probably have to wait for months but if I would have a finished drawing in a CAD format, I would probably have them by the end of the week. When he loads material in this gigantic CNC machine it doesn't matter if he makes two or a dozen, just the cost of the material. The finished products would look like Voltage Hobbies kind of, no pun intended. HR makes them with a very nice finish, but anodized and then worked on again is more expensive.

I would really like to be able to help out to make these files my self but the learning curve is steep. I have no problem with either scanning or vector format since I do some vinyl cutting myself, but to make most of these parts you don't come very far with an Illustrator file (a good beginning though) Someone with the know-how and time could draw these up rather quick.

As for the carbon fiber chassis, is it possible to make the bend in the front ? The little bumps for the diff gears, a rectangular hole ?
Is the carbon fiber treated after cutting or would have you cover the edges with CA glue to prevent flaking ? (read that somewhere)
 
servalac: Thanks for your nice comments.

A premium Arrma member, Iamtheoutcast has a background in computer drafting and design, and he's working with a 3d printer & 3 axis mill to design parts, and might be able to help. However, he does not have a V3 Talion, so we would need someone else to assist with a chassis, etc. Another forum member, smallhabitat, sent a scan to Dejan at Alza Racing & had V3 Talion 7075 shock towers made, & advised they fit perfect. I'm not exactly sure what is required for a scan & if the chassis needs to be stripped down for this, but gather someone here can help with this.

arrmaracing: Yes, it is much easier for PSM to make a carbon fiber chassis. According to his last comments, he is always available for custom carbon fiber cutting & if a forum member can provide a drawing or file, he can cut it and make it available to all forum members, even if it's not a PSM developed part (I believe the last part, Stefan means he would not be able to do his usual R&D that he does for any new PSM released parts). If you are interested, I will confirm whether Stefan at PSM can cut a V3 Talion carbon fiber chassis? If he cannot do this, other possibilities for a c/f chassis are maxspeedparts, Xtreme Racing, Alza Racing, etc..

Yes definitely up for an arrma v3 carbon fiber chassis.

Going by what servalac said it sounds like a bit of a mission. I have requested m2c and my local carbon fiber if they could make it. If I was to go with my local I was thinking of only needing to send my chassis in to scan then they just go from there or is it more difficult than that?

FYI i measured the stock front brace and the hr front brace and the weight difference is 20.9 for hf and 20.5 for the stock plastic.
 
Well, it is kinda a mission, I mean anybody could approach a suitable company that do CNC work and ask them to make a part, it is only a matter of cost. If you order 1pc or a 100pcs there will be a price difference each. For example a Voltage Hobbies Kraton Tower runs about $36, if I were to order 1pc of my own design from a company it would probably be a lot more. I might as well by a finished product. For most of these CNC companies that cuts and mills parts it's all about the quantity. If were talking about companies that market specific parts or RC parts in this case they also spend a lot of money on R&D before they can release a product in their company name.

It is a really nice of Stefan at PSM to offer us to scan parts, but he also writes that they would have to make a prototype or a proper engineered drawing before they can cut. Money and time.

"We are so busy with our OEM manufacturing, which keeps our full machine lineup still busy for some more months. We just had not the time and capacity to R&D some Arrma parts.
If we develop new products, we do that with full force to make sure the result is something everybody can be happy with and not just a quick shot to serve the demand.
The parts are still on our to do list, but since there are so many other companies now covering most of the parts on your wishlist, we don’t see that beeing super urgent now.
Although, we may work on the parts you have mentioned that are not yet available elsewhere, later this year.
We are always available for custom carbon fiber cutting. So if some forum member can provide a drawing or file, we can cut it for you and make it available to all forum members, even if its not a PSM developed part."

It is not my meaning to make mock of any company here, but it comes down to one thing, business.
Like RCROD writes PSM will need pre-orders. Lets play with the thought of that suddenly PSM would recieve a pre-order for 500pcs of 7075 Talion V3 chassi's, it would certainly be more interesting and move up on their priority list.

The thoughts with my previous post was that if I would be able to make my own CNC drawings or cut file, even if it were not engineered or prototyped or tested I could ask a local company to make the parts and they would'nt really ask any questions what I was going to use it for, of course like I wrote the fewer pcs ordered the more expensive each, but it would be really nice to have for an example a drawing for a Talion V3 low profile wing mount, and ask a local company to make it in Delrin. If you happen to have a friend at such a company, the price would probably be reasonable. I really welcome some drawings or cut files, there must be some smart guys or gals on this board that has the knowledge to make these, forget the R&D part, trial and error works too :)
 
Reply from m2C

"SORRY
I don't do those chassis as the market wouldnt be big enough I don't think.
but perhaps you could do a survey of your car with the other drivers and see how much interest there would be in the market.
If I could get enough interest I might could do a run of them.
one thing I would say, I have seen the vidios of what you guys put these trucks thru and It is a lot of abuse to the products lol.
If I decide to do them I would need that bent chassis you have now and a new chassis for my templates.
if you can get me a part no. for the new chassis it would be a big help.
mitch
M2C RACING"

I asked him how much people he needs to purchase as we have a handful of us but he said wait and see what the members say.
 
arrmaracing & servalac. You have brought up some very good comments. I agree, it does come down to business. When I read M2C Racing, it sounds almost the same as PSM's reply. I wonder how much interest they (PSM, M2C) are talking about, certainly not 500? Maybe 20-50 members max sounds reasonable, as it would be nice to know a number needed? I also agree, the more people interested, the quicker this would become a priority (business again...) The good news is, it sounds like the Arrma videos opened his eyes wide, but did not scare Mitch off, that's good LOL. Are you talking a carbon fiber or 7075 aluminum chassis with M2C? I would be definitely interested if M2C will make a 7075-T6 chassis.

PSM had said they could cut carbon fiber parts from a drawing or file, but I did not ask about a c/f chassis. Stefan did advise to make a 7075 aluminum chassis, he would need the stock Arrma chassis at his shop. Even though there are countless 1/10 scale carbon fiber chassis made, it must not be that difficult. However, I do agree, due to the kick up plate on the front and the crown gear cut outs, etc, I believe it would not be as easy to release an Arrma c/f chassis. Most RC carbon fiber that is used is just c/f sheets glued together, not like the carbon forming methods used on bikes, etc, where they could easily mold this into the chassis.

arrmaracing, although I have not yet weighed my Talion chassis braces for comparison, are you sure the HR aluminum chassis brace weighs only 0.4 grams more (20.9 compared to 20.5), than the stock composite brace? For example, my Kraton chassis braces weight differences are (front: HR aluminum 19.1g compared to stock 15.7g) & (rear: HR aluminum 28.6g compared to stock 22.1g). I agree, the HR braces are not too heavy, and I was quite pleased with the Kraton weight results, but the V3 Talion HR brace must be more than a .4g difference (maybe a 4 gram difference?)
 
arrmaracing & servalac. You have brought up some very good comments. I agree, it does come down to business. When I read M2C Racing, it sounds almost the same as PSM's reply. I wonder how much interest they (PSM, M2C) are talking about, certainly not 500? Maybe 20-50 members max sounds reasonable, as it would be nice to know a number needed? I also agree, the more people interested, the quicker this would become a priority (business again...) The good news is, it sounds like the Arrma videos opened his eyes wide, but did not scare Mitch off, that's good LOL. Are you talking a carbon fiber or 7075 aluminum chassis with M2C? I would be definitely interested if M2C will make a 7075-T6 chassis.

PSM had said they could cut carbon fiber parts from a drawing or file, but I did not ask about a c/f chassis. Stefan did advise to make a 7075 aluminum chassis, he would need the stock Arrma chassis at his shop. Even though there are countless 1/10 scale carbon fiber chassis made, it must not be that difficult. However, I do agree, due to the kick up plate on the front and the crown gear cut outs, etc, I believe it would not be as easy to release an Arrma c/f chassis. Most RC carbon fiber that is used is just c/f sheets glued together, not like the carbon forming methods used on bikes, etc, where they could easily mold this into the chassis.

arrmaracing, although I have not yet weighed my Talion chassis braces for comparison, are you sure the HR aluminum chassis brace weighs only 0.4 grams more (20.9 compared to 20.5), than the stock composite brace? For example, my Kraton chassis braces weight differences are (front: HR aluminum 19.1g compared to stock 15.7g) & (rear: HR aluminum 28.6g compared to stock 22.1g). I agree, the HR braces are not too heavy, and I was quite pleased with the Kraton weight results, but the V3 Talion HR brace must be more than a .4g difference (maybe a 4 gram difference?)
Yes i think a reasonable number would be minimum 15-20 but how much prepaid would he need is another question. We can get 50 people to say yes but the other is payment. I would purchase two so thats 13 more to go lolol.....i also only enquires for the 7075 chassis as i didnt think he made any carbon fiber chassis.

The weight scale i used was from ebay. I used to weigh my food years ago and it was accurate. I can go home and see if its correct with pre weighed items as a tool.

Its also only takes 2kg max so it should be accurate with the lower weights.
 
Yes i think a reasonable number would be minimum 15-20 but how much prepaid would he need is another question. We can get 50 people to say yes but the other is payment. I would purchase two so thats 13 more to go lolol.....i also only enquires for the 7075 chassis as i didnt think he made any carbon fiber chassis.

The weight scale i used was from ebay. I used to weigh my food years ago and it was accurate. I can go home and see if its correct with pre weighed items as a tool.

Its also only takes 2kg max so it should be accurate with the lower weights.
Glad to hear it was a 7075 chassis you enquired about with M2C. Pre-orders or pre-payments is a big difference on what they need. PSM, I gather it was just pre-orders, not pre-payments required. Again, how many do they need? Due to PSM's last reply, I would think Stefan requires more pre-orders now, but if enough interest here, hopefully this would become a higher priority. However, it does seem M2C is more interested than PSM now. Not sure what you think, but maybe we could see if WoodiE will help start a poll to find out how many members really want a 7075-T6 chassis.

Once i finish my Kraton project, I will then be working on my Talion project & will be comparing the weights of all my upgrade parts (including the chassis braces, etc), and I have a very accurate 0.1g scale that I use, so no problem, as the ebay weights posted, must not be correct.
 
Yes i think a reasonable number would be minimum 15-20 but how much prepaid would he need is another question. We can get 50 people to say yes but the other is payment. I would purchase two so thats 13 more to go lolol.....i also only enquires for the 7075 chassis as i didnt think he made any carbon fiber chassis.

The weight scale i used was from ebay. I used to weigh my food years ago and it was accurate. I can go home and see if its correct with pre weighed items as a tool.

Its also only takes 2kg max so it should be accurate with the lower weights.

Glad to hear it was a 7075 chassis you enquired about with M2C. Pre-orders or pre-payments is a big difference on what they need. PSM, I gather it was just pre-orders, not pre-payments required. Again, how many do they need? Due to PSM's last reply, I would think Stefan requires more pre-orders now, but if enough interest here, hopefully this would become a higher priority. However, it does seem M2C is more interested than PSM now. Not sure what you think, but maybe we could see if WoodiE will help start a poll to find out how many members really want a 7075-T6 chassis.

Once i finish my Kraton project, I will then be working on my Talion project & will be comparing the weights of all my upgrade parts (including the chassis braces, etc), and I have a very accurate 0.1g scale that I use, so no problem, as the ebay weights posted, must not be correct.

It would be great with a number of 15-20.
Could M2C just copy the chassi, or would that be some kind of copyright issue ?
The cost of 7075-T6 material ?
I have a flat piece of 3mm 7075, don't know which kind, it does'nt really bend which is great, but it seems a lot heavier than the other alu-alloys I have, any estimate of how much a chassi would weigh ?
Would M2C be able to do any testing or would he just mill them up ? It's like I wrote earlier, trial and error works but not on 20 pieces !?
The companies that produce and sell these RC parts gotta do some testing, what works or what not, sometimes even they fail, for example
T-Bone Racing (which btw has great products that I use) with their Arrma wingmount, great idea, great workmanship but possibly a fail since I can't find it in their product list anymore.
 
Glad to hear it was a 7075 chassis you enquired about with M2C. Pre-orders or pre-payments is a big difference on what they need. PSM, I gather it was just pre-orders, not pre-payments required. Again, how many do they need? Due to PSM's last reply, I would think Stefan requires more pre-orders now, but if enough interest here, hopefully this would become a higher priority. However, it does seem M2C is more interested than PSM now. Not sure what you think, but maybe we could see if WoodiE will help start a poll to find out how many members really want a 7075-T6 chassis.

Once i finish my Kraton project, I will then be working on my Talion project & will be comparing the weights of all my upgrade parts (including the chassis braces, etc), and I have a very accurate 0.1g scale that I use, so no problem, as the ebay weights posted, must not be correct.

Yes seems m2c is a lot more interested compared to psm as even if we get numbers he wont start later this year. Cant we just start a poll ourselves?

It would be great with a number of 15-20.
Could M2C just copy the chassi, or would that be some kind of copyright issue ?
The cost of 7075-T6 material ?
I have a flat piece of 3mm 7075, don't know which kind, it does'nt really bend which is great, but it seems a lot heavier than the other alu-alloys I have, any estimate of how much a chassi would weigh ?
Would M2C be able to do any testing or would he just mill them up ? It's like I wrote earlier, trial and error works but not on 20 pieces !?
The companies that produce and sell these RC parts gotta do some testing, what works or what not, sometimes even they fail, for example
T-Bone Racing (which btw has great products that I use) with their Arrma wingmount, great idea, great workmanship but possibly a fail since I can't find it in their product list anymore.

I thought everyone just copied each other especially the holes as there is no other way right?
 
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