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I thought the Notorious was identical to the Outcast except the body, right? While reading the big squid RC Notorious review I noticed this line:

" It has stiffer and longer springs than it’s brother Outcast, so it has improved a lot when it comes to soaking up big landings."

Is this accurate?
 
sevin7 said:
I thought the Notorious was identical to the Outcast except the body, right? While reading the big squid RC Notorious review I noticed this line:

" It has stiffer and longer springs than it’s brother Outcast, so it has improved a lot when it comes to soaking up big landings."

Is this accurate?
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They may have been comparing it to the V1 Outcast. Parts explosion shows the same springs for the current Outcast, Kraton and Notorious.
 
It sure would be nice if they offered a couple spring options that were a decent step up in rates. Since there are so many who love "Sending it" Along with all the aluminum upgrades that add weight.
Are you listening ARRMA ?
 
A noob here, so asking out of curiosity..
Why does spring rate is helping for soaking landings? i thought springs rate is effecting ride height only, and oil weight is supposed to absorb jump and such..

Could different spring rate result in the same ride height??

Thanks
 
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Yonic said:
A noob here, so asking out of curiosity..
Why does spring rate is helping for soaking landings? i though springs rate is effecting ride height only, and oil weight is supposed to absorb jump and such..

Could different spring rate result in the same ride height??

Thanks
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The pre load sets the ride height (to a point) a shorter spring that is stiffer can be used to solve height issues too. It is possible to go too far though and end up with something that is too stiff for anything but big air. The upgrades that are adding weight also need stiffer springs to support them. The oil weight controls oscillation of the spring. Trying to stiffen suspension with just an increase in oil weight results in a suspension that basically doesn't work if you go too far. It is a double edge sword. You need properly dampened suspension to allow the wheels to conform to the surface (compression & extension) without letting the shock oscillate. Then with big air you need stiffer springs and oil to match to soak up the large hit. So it is all a compromise but needs to be tuned for what you do most. As it stands there are no options (that I know of that cater to big air or more weight)
I don't think they should sell the vehicles strictly for big air but It would be nice to have a few options. Surely they know that many are "Sending them" regularly. Besides that, big air is good for replacement parts sales. JMO.
 
2fast4u said:
The pre load sets the ride height (to a point) a shorter spring that is stiffer can be used to solve height issues too. It is possible to go too far though and end up with something that is too stiff for anything but big air. The upgrades that are adding weight also need stiffer springs to support them. The oil weight controls oscillation of the spring. Trying to stiffen suspension with just an increase in oil weight results in a suspension that basically doesn't work if you go too far. It is a double edge sword. You need properly dampened suspension to allow the wheels to conform to the surface (compression & extension) without letting the shock oscillate. Then with big air you need stiffer springs and oil to match to soak up the large hit. So it is all a compromise but needs to be tuned for what you do most. As it stands there are no options (that I know of that cater to big air or more weight)
I don't think they should sell the vehicles strictly for big air but It would be nice to have a few options. Surely they know that many are "Sending them" regularly. Besides that, big air is good for replacement parts sales. JMO.
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Yeah as far as I know the Arrma springs are the longest stiffest springs available for these shocks, the next step down would be the Tekno Orange rate springs.

And speaking of sending it, I am honestly surprised that Arrma doesn't make any upgrade parts for their 1/8 stuff. I knew they make/made upgrade parts for the 2wd Mega platform.
 
2fast4u said:
The pre load sets the ride height (to a point) a shorter spring that is stiffer can be used to solve height issues too. It is possible to go too far though and end up with something that is too stiff for anything but big air. The upgrades that are adding weight also need stiffer springs to support them. The oil weight controls oscillation of the spring. Trying to stiffen suspension with just an increase in oil weight results in a suspension that basically doesn't work if you go too far. It is a double edge sword. You need properly dampened suspension to allow the wheels to conform to the surface (compression & extension) without letting the shock oscillate. Then with big air you need stiffer springs and oil to match to soak up the large hit. So it is all a compromise but needs to be tuned for what you do most. As it stands there are no options (that I know of that cater to big air or more weight)
I don't think they should sell the vehicles strictly for big air but It would be nice to have a few options. Surely they know that many are "Sending them" regularly. Besides that, big air is good for replacement parts sales. JMO.
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Ok, i've learnt something. I thought there is no difference between a soft spring with more preload and a stiff one with less preload - so thanks for the explanation.

But still, regarding to jumps, isnt something like a landing is all on the oil? how much the spring rate is effecting there?
 
https://www.myrcbox.com/articles/tech-article-off-road-suspension-tuning-guide/


Shock oil affect damping speed. The thicker the oil is, the slower the shock piston moves inside the shock body. If the shock can’t move fast enough, the tire will loose contact with the ground and by consequence, lose traction. On the opposite, if shock oil is too thin, the shock will not absorb sufficient bumps and can make your vehicle bottom out after landing jumps. Don’t forget that the shock oil also influences the weight transfer when turning, accelerating and braking.Shock oil and shock springs work together, when you drastically change shock oil, don’t forget to replace shock springs according to the oil used. See Shock spring section for more information.
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Yonic said:
Ok, i've learnt something. I thought there is no difference between a soft spring with more preload and a stiff one with less preload - so thanks for the explanation.

But still, regarding to jumps, isnt something like a landing is all on the oil? how much the spring rate is effecting there?
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If you think about it, the oil is absorbing most of it, but the spring is also absorbing the hit. If you go too thick with oil to absorb big air better, the stiffest springs we have available isn't stiff enough to push the arm back down fast enough when driving.

If you go too thick with oil and too stiff with springs, you end up with a truck that bounces all over the place and is kind of undrivable. And, it wears out shock ends much faster. I have that issue on all my revo's. So, I live with a discontent medium of it slapping the ground too hard and still having to replace shock ends/pushrod ends too frequently due to the heavy oil/springs wearing them out at a faster rate.
 
I am pretty sure that Tekno shock pistons will work in the V3 shocks, they fit in the V2 shocks just fine. They offer quite a few options and even sell blanks.
 
slick2500 said:
Yeah as far as I know the Arrma springs are the longest stiffest springs available for these shocks, the next step down would be the Tekno Orange rate springs.

And speaking of sending it, I am honestly surprised that Arrma doesn't make any upgrade parts for their 1/8 stuff. I knew they make/made upgrade parts for the 2wd Mega platform.
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@slick2500 - I added the Orange Tecno springs I and I felt like they were looser than my stock ones.. I ended up changing them back to the stock springs and just added heavier weight oil to my Notorious with an Outcast body!
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Uplift-RC said:
@slick2500 - I added the Orange Tecno springs I and I felt like they were looser than my stock ones.. I ended up changing them back to the stock springs and just added heavier weight oil to my Notorious with an Outcast body!
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Yeah like I said they are a step down from the stock Arrma springs.
 
slick2500 said:
Yeah like I said they are a step down from the stock Arrma springs.
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Any other springs brother that would be a lot stronger, I do have Mitchs shock cap kit installed? What wgt oil do you run in the front and rears when your bashing and blasting ?
 
Many RCs have multiple shock mounting options on the arms which lets you set up your suspension stiffer or softer with the same shocks, Arrmas don't do that unfortunately. A stiffer spring set would be nice, esp for guys that added some serious weight to their 6s...
 
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