still got 2 of my baja 5b ss some turtle racing parts on both and both got bartalone torpedo pipes on them the pipes have only been run a few times not run the cars for years they are really loud with the torpedo pipes on but from what I remember they throw out loads of power right through the power band. also had a hormann ht3 german 1/6 race car full aluminium. had a few hpi savages and GS sut and a kyosho on road car those where all nitroSame as me mate. Jato 3.3 then baja. Few stuff in between