so after bashing the heck out of my volcano epx pro with a 1/8 motor I decided I wanted another car but a 1/8 scale. I went to an reputable rc dealer and basically was told everything is trash except traxxas so I ordered an e-revo but did more research and found one of the baddest cars for way less than the revo. I cancelled my order on the revo and ordered the Kraton and man am I happy. My buddy was gonna buy the helion select 4 but he decided on the talion and we were both blown away buy the build and most of all performance stock. We did speed runs today and both vehicles ran 54 mph and were very satisfied. If you guys are rc shopping please take a look at arrma they build some great products!!