Talion Situation after use with 5 batteries Spektrum Lipo 6S g2 5000mah 100C

[SrC]

@Ivan79,
I'm second generation Italian. Just don't speak it. When my grandparents passed long ago, it was not not spoken in the home anymore. Wish it was.

 

[Ivan79]

@Ivan79,
I'm second generation Italian. Just don't speak it. When my grandparents passed long ago, it was not not spoken in the home anymore. Wish it was.

Very nice, we are fellow villagers

 

[Ivan79]

Dear all,

One question the upgrade I want to buy ARA220050 have different shim compare to my stock differential.

That mean with the alluminium case ARA220050 I will don't have the LSD on my three differential?

If it is confirmed that with kit ARA220050 I will loose the LSD system, I can use different grade of oil for my three differential?

Thank you

 

[Ivan79]

Dear all,

One question the upgrade I want to buy ARA220050 have different shim compare to my stock differential.

That mean with the alluminium case ARA220050 I will don't have the LSD on my three differential?

If it is confirmed that with kit ARA220050 I will loose the LSD system, I can use different grade of oil for my three differential?

Thank you

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@SrC ,

You know something about this topics ?

 

[JustAnOutcast]

Dear all,

One question the upgrade I want to buy ARA220050 have different shim compare to my stock differential.

That mean with the alluminium case ARA220050 I will don't have the LSD on my three differential?

If it is confirmed that with kit ARA220050 I will loose the LSD system, I can use different grade of oil for my three differential?

Thank you

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I have been unable to confirm that this aluminum diff case will work as a replacement for the newer 29mm diffs on EXB models.
If it will work, you would not need to use the LSD disks, but instead would use shims in all differentials that use this replacement case.

Another route to consider, if you do not want to use LSD plates, keep your existing diffs, remove LSD disks and replace with traditional shims, the Arrma part number for shims for 29mm diffs is ARA311094. If you go this way, you will be able to experiment with the heavier weight oils.
Hope this helps.

 

[Ivan79]

Non sono stato in grado di confermare che questa custodia differenziale in alluminio funzionerà in sostituzione dei nuovi differenziali da 29 mm sui modelli EXB.
Se funzionerà, non avresti bisogno di usare i dischi LSD, ma useresti invece spessori in tutti i differenziali che usano questo caso sostitutivo.

Un altro percorso da considerare, se non si desidera utilizzare le piastre LSD, mantenere i differenziali esistenti, rimuovere i dischi LSD e sostituirli con spessori tradizionali, il numero di parte Arrma per spessori per differenziali da 29 mm è ARA311094. Se procedi in questo modo, sarai in grado di sperimentare gli oli più pesanti.
Spero che sia di aiuto.

This will be very important to know, because otherwise I won't buy three cases if I can't wear my Talion EXB.


And if it's okay, what kind of difference will I have without the LSD?


One more thing, inside the gearbox

AR310854

What grease should I use, example: Corally copper or lithium white grease?

 

[JustAnOutcast]

This will be very important to know, because otherwise I won't buy three cases if I can't wear my Talion EXB.

And if it goes well, what kind of differences will I have without LSD?

Another thing, inside the gearbox

AR310854

What fat should I put, example: Copper or white lithium Corally fat?

Most folks here have more experience with Open Differentials which do not have the LSD disks since LSD is newer. The big difference is you will have to use thicker oils without LSD. I don’t know about performance of LSD vs performance of open differentials.

I asked the question about grease and got a good discussion, here is the link.

https://www.arrmaforum.com/threads/jims-bearings-waterproof-grease-for-spiral-spur-gears.57367/

 

[Ivan79]

La maggior parte delle persone qui ha più esperienza con Open Differentials che non hanno i dischi LSD poiché LSD è più recente. La grande differenza è che dovrai usare oli più densi senza LSD. Non conosco le prestazioni dell'LSD rispetto alle prestazioni dei differenziali aperti.

Ho fatto la domanda sul grasso e ho avuto una buona discussione, ecco il link.

https://www.arrmaforum.com/threads/jims-bearings-waterproof-grease-for-spiral-spur-gears.57367/

Thank you I have read but in the end I have not understand what grease I must use, because the grease good for the metallic gear is not the best for the plastic case.

 

[JustAnOutcast]

Thank you I have read but in the end I have not understand what grease I must use, because the grease good for the metallic gear is not the best for the plastic case.

This was best recommendation for grease. Bigger tubes are available if you want.

 

[Ivan79]

Questa era la migliore raccomandazione per il grasso. Se lo desideri, sono disponibili tubi più grandi.

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Perfect I will buy this, we have also in Italy

 

[JustAnOutcast]

Perfect I will buy this, we have also in Italy

Excellent. I have also asked Arrma technical support if the aluminum differential case is compatible with 29mm EXB differentials. It may take some time, but I will let you know answer.

 

[Ivan79]

Eccellente. Ho anche chiesto al supporto tecnico Arrma se la scatola del differenziale in alluminio è compatibile con i differenziali EXB da 29 mm. Potrebbe volerci del tempo, ma ti farò sapere la risposta.

@JustAnOutcast Thank you very much, what kind of beautiful people I met here.

 

[Ivan79]

Hi JustAnOutcast,


I will try with the chat Horizon Hobby.

No screws loose, but the screws are not perfectly tight. Also on the center differential I remember that one screw had a little bit oil outside.

Hi SrC,

Wow what kind of wonderful and detail answer you give me, thank you so much for your time.

So if I good understand the best setting at your experience for the diff, is the following:

_ Front diff: shim of LSD setting on maximum effect and 60k silicone oil

_ Center diff: shim of LSD setting on maximum effect and 500k silicone oil

_ Rear diff: shim of LSD setting on minimum effect and 30k silicone oil

My son like make drift and wheelies, it is this setting appropriate or must I make same different setting for help him to have the better result on this way ?

@SrC

Here I think that I make a mistake, because you say that with LSD I must leave the standard grade of oil ( 10k front/rear and 100k center) and increase the viscosity of the oil only for open differential ( without LSD shim plate) 30k rear, 60k front and 500k center.

Waiting the answer from @JustAnOutcast if I can't put tre open differential with metallic kit ARA22050, I will buy three new diff LSD n.2 ARA310990 and n.1 310991.

 

[JustAnOutcast]

@SrC

Here I think that I make a mistake, because you say that with LSD I must leave the standard grade of oil ( 10k front/rear and 100k center) and increase the viscosity of the oil only for open differential ( without LSD shim plate) 30k rear, 60k front and 500k center.

Waiting the answer from @JustAnOutcast if I can put tre open differential with metallic kit ARA22050, I will buy three new diff LSD n.2 ARA310990 and n.1 310991.

Hello Ivan, got this reply just now:

The ARA220050 set can be used to convert #AR220029, #AR220041 or #AR220028 in ARRMA 6S BLX models.

Best Regards,

Jason
Product Support
Air and Surface Specialist
Horizon Hobby, LLC

 

[Ivan79]

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Hello Ivan, got this reply just now:

The ARA220050 set can be used to convert #AR220029, #AR220041 or #AR220028 in ARRMA 6S BLX models.

Best Regards,

Jason
Product Support
Air and Surface Specialist
Horizon Hobby, LLC

@JustAnOutcast

Thanks for your feedback, now I have to decide whether to put the ARA220050 and leave the LSD or stay with the LSD but stay with the plastic case.
My intent is to give the resistant differential what do you advise me to do ?
(@JustAnOutcast @SrC @Dan B. )

 

[SrC]

Need to translate Italian there.

 

[Snowmandk]

You need ARA311061 if you want metal cases for your EXB 29mm diffs.

ARA220050 is not compatible with the 29mm EXB diffs gears and outdrives.

 

[SrC]

^^^
+!
Ivan has LSD 29mm Diffs.
Needs 311061.

https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/metal-diff-case-29mm/ARA311061.html

 

[SrC]

If you already bought the oil. Use 30k in the Front and Rear, with 100k in the Center, leaving the oil with OE 100k fill, or top off with 60k as needed. With all 3 as LSD's.

 

[JustAnOutcast]

Thanks for your feedback, now I have to decide whether to put the ARA220050 and leave the LSD or stay with the LSD but stay with the plastic case.

My intent is to give the resistant differential what do you advise me to do?

I don’t know of any good reason to upgrade the stock 29mm diffs to aluminum, but hopefully others will share their experiences. If you don’t get enough replies, consider starting a new thread conversation. This one is getting long and some may not be reading every comment.