Talion Talion EXB - A Weekend Racer

[CosmoM3]

Prologue

After the success of my other build thread and vouched by Dylan Saville (WIRC), Lee Setser (Team Associated) and Jacob Hardison (TLR) - I was looking into dipping my feet into the 1/8 E-Truck world and started to shop around for potential candidates for my next project. I haven't stopped racing the Typhon and I'm actually pretty deep into it right now as I'm now competing in Open 1/8 E-Buggy class. In fact, I'm going to pass on picking up on another kit buggy (Tekno, AE, Mugen, etc) and continue racing it to prove that a well sorted car will still outperform poorly setup kit car.

The underestimated, overachiever

I've always felt that the ARRMA 6S LWB truggy family has always been underrated and under estimated in the RC racing world as they all share the same DNA as the Team Durango DEX8T, therefore instead of drooling over the next potential Tekno ET48 2.1 that should be coming out this year...or the Mugen Seiki MBX8TR Eco...since ARRMA parts and logistics were widely available and easy to work on, I've decided to take on the challenge on converting my Talion EXB into a capable race truggy. I love to apply everything I've learned in the past two decades in 1:1 auto racing and motorsports, that I plan to give the Talion the same treatment as I did with the successful Typhon TLR. My motto was always, "Trust the science. Tune to feeling", therefore I'll have my corner balance, scales, calipers and a bit of physics science ready for this next journey.

Stay tuned...

 

[Tex Koder]

Prologue

After the success of my other build thread and vouched by Dylan Saville (WIRC), Lee Setser (Team Associated) and Jacob Hardison (TLR) - I was looking into dipping my feet into the 1/8 E-Truck world and started to shop around for potential candidates for my next project. I haven't stopped racing the Typhon and I'm actually pretty deep into it right now as I'm now competing in Open 1/8 E-Buggy class. In fact, I'm going to pass on picking up on another kit buggy (Tekno, AE, Mugen, etc) and continue racing it to prove that a well sorted car will still outperform poorly setup kit car.

The underestimated, overachiever

I've always felt that the ARRMA 6S LWB truggy family has always been underrated and under estimated in the RC racing world as they all share the same DNA as the Team Durango DEX8T, therefore instead of drooling over the next potential Tekno ET48 2.1 that should be coming out this year...or the Mugen Seiki MBX8TR Eco...since ARRMA parts and logistics were widely available and easy to work on, I've decided to take on the challenge on converting my Talion EXB into a capable race truggy. I love to apply everything I've learned in the past two decades in 1:1 auto racing and motorsports, that I plan to give the Talion the same treatment as I did with the successful Typhon TLR. My motto was always, "Trust the science. Tune to feeling", therefore I'll have my corner balance, scales, calipers and a bit of physics science ready for this next journey.

Stay tuned...

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Nice!

I Sub'd.



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also, I'm curious..
What sort of rack is that?

 

[CosmoM3]

also, I'm curious..
What sort of rack is that?

https://www.amainhobbies.com/koswork-5-layer-rc-car-rack-124x34x8cm-kos50730/p1464899

 

[trexdd]

Sub’d

Count me in

 

[Dan B.]

Me too!

 

[Tex Koder]

https://www.amainhobbies.com/koswork-5-layer-rc-car-rack-124x34x8cm-kos50730/p1464899

i
a bit on the expensive side..



I'm going to have to DIY something with the IKEA scraps i have on hand..

 

[RubberDown]

….

 

[KnowAir]

https://www.amainhobbies.com/koswork-5-layer-rc-car-rack-124x34x8cm-kos50730/p1464899

That is a nice stand indeed, would really make my garage and rc's look like the dumpster fire that they are though! LOL

 

[CosmoM3]

Went ahead and reduced some weight off the Talion EXB:

As you can see, the stock OEM Katar T tires are absolutely heavy and replacing them with proper racing tires/wheels shaved off 307g. Running a lighter, racing LiHV LiPo also shaved off 180g.

We are sitting tidy at around 9.65lbs (4.4kg), but I think theres room to save off an additional 50g in the future with some titanium bits and some TD DEX8T Driveshafts.

 

[Garcbomber]

I'd have no problem trimming the T6-exb chassis edges down to at least help get final cross weights even.

 

[Littlemotor]

Gonna be following along-in lieu of missing your typhon thread somehow..

 

[CosmoM3]

Picked up a set of more adjustable shock towers from JConcepts for the Kraton 6S and some body mount hook/loop tape for the Typhon.

I did some research and the stock Talion front and rear shocks were just fine and I think the stock pistons in them (1.2x8 Front/1.4x8 Rear) will be fine as I just need to pick the correct shock oil to compensate for the shock pack (I’m guessing somewhere between 40-50wt front and rear). The real test comes with picking the right springs because the stock front Talion EXB springs are too short/stiff (9 lbs+) and the TD DEX8T front springs are way too soft (they use the Outcast 6S EXB front springs for their front springs…which are way too soft), therefore I’ll be raiding the Mugen Seiki spring inventory again. I’ll have to math this out later after I have the shocks and shock towers installed as the shock positions will affect the motion ratio, which is critical to calculating the correct spring rates. I’ll also upgrade the stock shock gaskets to the OEM TLR Tuned parts.

 

[Littlemotor]

Picked up a set of more adjustable shock towers from JConcepts for the Kraton 6S and some body mount hook/loop tape for the Typhon.

I did some research and the stock Talion front and rear shocks were just fine and I think the stock pistons in them (1.2x8 Front/1.4x8 Rear) will be fine as I just need to pick the correct shock oil to compensate for the shock pack (I’m guessing 40wt front and rear). The real test comes with picking the right springs because the stock Talion EXB springs are too short/stiff (9 lbs+) and the TD DEX8T springs are way too soft (they use the Outcast 6S EXB front springs for their front springs…which are way too soft), therefore I’ll be raiding the Mugen Seiki spring inventory again. I’ll have to math this out later after I have the shocks and shock towers installed as the shock positions will affect the motion ratio, which is critical to calculating the correct spring rates. I’ll also upgrade the stock shock gaskets to the OEM TLR Tuned parts.

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Damn-didn’t even know Jcon did anything for it, that’s sick!