ALL NEW 1/5 8S VIGILANTE from REDCAT

[KnowAir]

I think you are right about the manufacturing, I have noticed that the hardening on parts varies even on the same rig. kgm5512 also swapped out the fluids, I think the higher center diff fluid is much harder on the drivetrain. Its a balance between performance and wear even on 1/10 scale drivelines.

I would have to sum up the Vigilante failure to QC issues I suppose. Fluids should not affect things enough to cause a motor shaft to break. I stuffed my Kaiju center diff with an ear plug. It has held just fine for over 3 years. I can't say I really like the way it drives with the ear plug installed, but it didn't cause a failure. I have replaced both front and rear diffs in my Kaiju once over those 3 years, but the center diff is still original. I only replaced the f/r diffs because it was the same price for a complete diff as it was to replace the worn out diff outdrives and bearings.. a complete diff with bearings for the same price as cups/bearings? No brainer, LOL.

 

[Snacktime]

I would have to sum up the Vigilante failure to QC issues I suppose. Fluids should not affect things enough to cause a motor shaft to break. I stuffed my Kaiju center diff with an ear plug. It has held just fine for over 3 years. I can't say I really like the way it drives with the ear plug installed, but it didn't cause a failure. I have replaced both front and rear diffs in my Kaiju once over those 3 years, but the center diff is still original. I only replaced the f/r diffs because it was the same price for a complete diff as it was to replace the worn out diff outdrives and bearings.. a complete diff with bearings for the same price as cups/bearings? No brainer, LOL.

20M in the center diff is prevent the energy from moving front to back on a landing. Much harder on the motor, front and rear differentials. I am fighting this with the crap metal parts on my Rlaarlo Terminator. Stiffer fluids put more force into the drivetrain parts.

 

[KnowAir]

20M in the center diff is prevent the energy from moving front to back on a landing. Much harder on the motor, front and rear differentials. I am fighting this with the crap metal parts on my Rlaarlo Terminator. Stiffer fluids put more force into the drivetrain parts.

I guess I can believe that. I also forgot that the Vigilante is a 1/6 scale, moderately heavy rig, running on a 4985 motor with a 5mm shaft..so rather small for the weight of the truck. Good points. Actually I now recall that even Arrma went from 5mm to an 8mm motor shaft in the v1 rtr 8s rigs with 4985 sized motors..
FWIW, it seems that Thunder RC never really went very heavy with diff fluuds since every one of his Vigilante vids I recall seeing the front tires ballooning excessively. Maybe that has saved his drivetrain from breaking?

 

[tschenck]

I've been running some Duratrax 1/5 SC tires/wheels on the K8S. They actually do okay, handle pretty well but are a hard compound so kinda slippery.. makes for some really cool drifting though!!

Would be nice if they still sold those.

 

[KnowAir]

Would be nice if they still sold those.

Wrong thread, but I appreciate the reply just the same!
You're right, they are discontinued. I haven't looked for them in a while to see who might still have them available. Alternatively you may be able to find them under Louis RC brand still. Same tires.
https://www.eurorc.com/product/2965...bead-lock-wheel---sport---rear---24mm-hex---2

 

[Snacktime]

I guess I can believe that. I also forgot that the Vigilante is a 1/6 scale, moderately heavy rig, running on a 4985 motor with a 5mm shaft..so rather small for the weight of the truck. Good points. Actually I now recall that even Arrma went from 5mm to an 8mm motor shaft in the v1 rtr 8s rigs with 4985 sized motors..
FWIW, it seems that Thunder RC never really went very heavy with diff fluuds since every one of his Vigilante vids I recall seeing the front tires ballooning excessively. Maybe that has saved his drivetrain from breaking?

I think its more of the fact he is probably running a smaller lipo and doing shorter runs than a normal user. Thunder literally hot laps a ramp till it breaks. I would trust other reviews with normal wear and tear. The recent video has a lot of value to me, shows normal use and issues. More I watch, the more I see me driving this thing.

 

[KnowAir]

I think its more of the fact he is probably running a smaller lipo and doing shorter runs than a normal user. Thunder literally hot laps a ramp till it breaks. I would trust other reviews with normal wear and tear. The recent video has a lot of value to me, shows normal use and issues. More I watch, the more I see me driving this thing.

Yes, I agree. While I love watching the big air YT vids, they have little to do with what I do with my stuff. As such, I don't put a whole lot of faith in their opinions. I mean Thunder claims the Xmaxx as the all time toughest, yet Duperbash and RC Dude call it "Humpty Dumpty", LOL. "Different strokes" for sure.

 

[Hector_Fisher]

This is the kind of good coverage that the Vigilante needs. Manufacturers need to see, in a non-infammatory way, that their products aren't being recommended: **Yet**. I think if redcat tunes into this as they have in the past, they will step up their game.

 

[KnowAir]

This is the kind of good coverage that the Vigilante needs. Manufacturers need to see, in a non-infammatory way, that their products aren't being recommended: **Yet**. I think if redcat tunes into this as they have in the past, they will step up their game.
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Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised the teeth look so rough..tbh, I doubt TRX stock stuff looks much if any better.. also why I would never run something as heavy as MX43'S or Choppers on either an RC or TRX rig without an upgraded drivetrain. Then again, "I" don't want tires that heavy on any rc. Too much, kills handling and drivetrains without prejudice. I'm also a "ground" guy, meaning I'm more interested in keeping the wheels on the ground than in the air. To each their own of course.✌

 

[razorrc]

Honestly if people stopped putting earplugs in their diffs and the wrong tires, they would have 10x less problems.

 

[KnowAir]

Honestly if people stopped putting earplugs in their diffs and the wrong tires, they would have 10x less problems.

Bruh, seriously? You know they're faster on 2 than 4 wheels?!

 

[kgm5512]

I would have to sum up the Vigilante failure to QC issues I suppose. Fluids should not affect things enough to cause a motor shaft to break. I stuffed my Kaiju center diff with an ear plug. It has held just fine for over 3 years. I can't say I really like the way it drives with the ear plug installed, but it didn't cause a failure. I have replaced both front and rear diffs in my Kaiju once over those 3 years, but the center diff is still original. I only replaced the f/r diffs because it was the same price for a complete diff as it was to replace the worn out diff outdrives and bearings.. a complete diff with bearings for the same price as cups/bearings? No brainer, LOL.

Hello, just catching up on this particular thread. A quick google search landed me here. Your right fluids should not effect drive train especially on a 1/5-1/6 scale rig. The arrmas come with 20m in the center from factory. I hope my reviews on this truck were genuine I appreciate everyone’s feedback

Thanks kgm5512!!

 

[Armarookie43]

Honestly if people stopped putting earplugs in their diffs and the wrong tires, they would have 10x less problems.

I agree. Making the diff so tight is almost like not having protection for the drivetrain at all. Almost like a direct drive.

Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised the teeth look so rough..tbh, I doubt TRX stock stuff looks much if any better.. also why I would never run something as heavy as MX43'S or Choppers on either an RC or TRX rig without an upgraded drivetrain. Then again, "I" don't want tires that heavy on any rc. Too much, kills handling and drivetrains without prejudice. I'm also a "ground" guy, meaning I'm more interested in keeping the wheels on the ground than in the air. To each their own of course.✌

Yeah, I might be stop jumping with the big ass MX 4.3 badlands. I've had some damage that I haven't experienced before TBH. I think that the Proline Mashers or the badlands on the same rims are better for 25ft jumps . With that said, I did snap my X-Maxx in half with the Mashers on it

 

[KnowAir]

I agree. Making the diff so tight is almost like not having protection for the drivetrain at all. Almost like a direct drive.


Yeah, I might be stop jumping with the big ass MX 4.3 badlands. I've had some damage that I haven't experienced before TBH. I think that the Proline Mashers or the badlands on the same rims are better for 25ft jumps . With that said, I did snap my X-Maxx in half with the Mashers on it

I can see Mashers or MX57 for a TRX 8s, and expect the Vigilante to be similar in regards to drivetrain strength. Though the Vigilante is a bit heavier than a TRX 8s I believe?
I think the Arrma 8s has a stronger drivetrain overall, would have to considering how much heavier they are than a TRX 8s. As such maybe they're a bit more tolerant to the heavy beadlock wheels, IDK. I know many run the beadlocks on both Arrma and TRX successfully, I think it all comes down to how we use them as to what holds up or works.
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Arrma 8s tires/wheels. Lightweight and quite durable, but then, so far the Gravix tires from the XRT have been awesome for me on the Xmaxx. I actually wish I could try them on my K8S. Not sure they'd hold up to the weight and power of a 5687 equipped Arrma though? Unfortunately the 24mm Arrma wheelnuts don't fit the Gravix wheels to find out. I guess I could "shave" some material from the TRX wheels but, they're so thin already, can't see that working out well on a K8S.

 

[kgm5512]

The arrma backflip tires are a great all around tire for grip and air control. The weight and size are a plus too. Even the 4s ones hold the same characteristics. I am going to try them on the vigilante. As for the proline tires I fee they are heavy and will cripple stock drivelines no matter the manufacturer

 

[KnowAir]

The arrma backflip tires are a great all around tire for grip and air control. The weight and size are a plus too. Even the 4s ones hold the same characteristics. I am going to try them on the vigilante. As for the proline tires I fee they are heavy and will cripple stock drivelines no matter the manufacturer

The Mashers and MX57's are Prolines "light" tires marketed for TRX 8s, so they should be pretty good on a Vigilante. The MX43 and Trenchers are the diff killers.However I agree with you on the BF's, they are kickass tires, either the original SB or the newer BB that come on the rtr EXB.
BTW, I have also always enjoyed the Redcat badland knockoffs that came with the OG Kaiju, I imagine as long as speeds don't get too crazy the Vigilante stock tires work pretty well too since they're basically just a scaled up version.

 

[kgm5512]

The Mashers MX57's are Prolines "light" tires marketed for TRX 8s, so they should be pretty good on a Vigilante. However I agree with you on the BF's, they are kickass tires, either the original SB or the newer BB that come on the rtr EXB.
BTW, I have also always enjoyed the Redcat badland knockoffs that came with the OG Kaiju, I imagine as long as speeds don't get too crazy the Vigilante stock tires work pretty well too since they're basically just a scaled up version.

Hopefully as the stock vigilante tires stretch out the help with air control. As of now they is not much throttle response in the air with the vigilante. I tried tuning the diffs for control and really didn’t see any improvement.

 

[KnowAir]

Hopefully as the stock vigilante tires stretch out the help with air control. As of now they is not much throttle response in the air with the vigilante. I tried tuning the diffs for control and really didn’t see any improvement.

My guess is they're relatively lightweight? Have you weighed the Vigilante tires/wheels? The SB BF'S I have are pretty light, around 600grams each, which is close to stock Xmaxx tires/wheels weight. I don't get much rotation from either of those 2 sets on my Xmaxx. The Duratrax Six-Packs weigh in around 750grams each, and deliver much better rotation. Though they hamper ground control somewhat.. gotta take the bad with the good I think. Find a happy medium. I imagine the BF BB do a bit better for rotation than SB's. Though I've never tried them.

 

[kgm5512]

I’m not sure if its the COG, wheelbase, tires, or the way my diffs are tuned my my O8S rotates on a dime. Now I know the vigilante is apples to oranges but is like to get a similar response. Vigilante is super stable on the ground. Would love to see it agile in the air.

 

[KnowAir]

I’m not sure if its the COG, wheelbase, tires, or the way my diffs are tuned my my O8S rotates on a dime. Now I know the vigilante is apples to oranges but is like to get a similar response. Vigilante is super stable on the ground. Would love to see it agile in the air.

How's the wheelbase compare between the O8S and Vigilante? I just watched ur vid of the Max5 equipped O8S, she snaps right around quick. IDK how a v1 RTR O8S does by comparison? I mean the 4985 equipped v1. Would seem rather hesitant maybe? IDK. What combo is in your Vigilante? Still stock or? Sorry, I know I watched a couple of ur vids but don't remember what's in it.

FWIW I think a 5687/5690 is what the Vigilant needs to get the rotation going properly. Will the drivetrain hold? IDK.