Kraton New Kraton 6s v5 exb. ESC UPGRADE

[Sumnig66]

So I just picked up this used 6s that is practically brand new! Already has an upgraded servo but still has the stock Esc and motor.. I have an extra 1250kv I pulled out of one of my Kraton 8s. If I got a HW Max6 to go with it would that be to much??

 

[dure16]

Max6 would be a great choice for that 1250kv.

Remember to gear up if you plan on running 6S.

 

[Sumnig66]

Max6 would be a great choice for that 1250kv.

Remember to gear up if you plan on running 6S.

This might sound stupid but I was thinking 4s Would be plenty enough with the max6 and 1250kv?? I mean I could pick up some 6s Batteries but honestly I have two Kraton 8s and a ton of 2s and 4s batteries
What gearing would you recommend??

 

[dure16]

Sure it could be fun on 4S. Or you could run a couple of your 3S batteries in series for 6S.

Check out the iPhone app called “gear speed” for possible gearing calculations. Or go to this site:

https://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html

 

[Sumnig66]

Sure it could be fun on 4S. Or you could run a couple of your 3S batteries in series for 6S.

Check out the iPhone app called “gear speed” for possible gearing calculations. Or go to this site:

https://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html

I ment 4s hahaha I don't have any 3s

 

[K-BASH]

I ment 4s hahaha I don't have any 3s

If ya tell me how tall your tires are ill give ya some accurate gearing...I've had big 56mm low kv motors on 4s an it's the way to go...your adding weight with system ,but losing weight in packs....the tp big cans a 6 pole motors an have tons of torque an low rpms don't stress electronics....4s power geared correctly can be very fast an handle better cause less weight..weight adds crappy handling an more damage on crashs...plus more drivetrain abuse an stress all together

If ya tell me how tall your tires are ill give ya some accurate gearing...I've had big 56mm low kv motors on 4s an it's the way to go...your adding weight with system ,but losing weight in packs....the tp big cans a 6 pole motors an have tons of torque an low rpms don't stress electronics....4s power geared correctly can be very fast an handle better cause less weight..weight adds crappy handling an more damage on crashs...plus more drivetrain abuse an stress all together

I'd guess tires are 6.8in tall if so something like this on 4s will get ya 55-60mph...gotta now ttc of your motor mount..30tp+ 40ts=70 ttc. (Total Tooth Count)most 25×25 motor plates are like 60-85ttc..gotta stay in between there for gears to fit..

 

[Garcbomber]

Trying to spin a low kv/big can with efficiency and performance designed for 30Volts with 12-16V is going to be extremely lackluster. Use the proper voltage and motor for the application or join the speed crowd who just does stuff to say they did it. It’ll take much longer to get that motor up to bashing rpm with decent size monster truck tires and the supporting lithium polymer packs won’t last long in play time. Even if they’re quality packs the life of them will be quick because of extreme amp draw demands not having optimal ESC/Motor/Voltage proportions.

Playing devils advocate here, but it’s your experience…

 

[K-BASH]

Check this,I know it's completly diffrent,but the torque from this 56×102mm tp5670-1270kv absolutely blew my mind..can always measure HP and watts ,but torque is not measurable.pulled 225a here ..

 

[KnowAir]

I can see it working pretty well on 6s geared appropriately, 4s, IDK. I have the same motor laying around, has maybe 2 runs on it. Replaced it with a Firma 1100kv 5687. Wondering if it's really worth buying a hundred dollar mount to drop the 4985 in my Xmaxx. I mean the Vilenion is basically the same specs as the Firma so, IDK. Otherwise, not sure what I'll do with it..
My vote is 6s for that. Buy a cheap pair of 3s to try it. Cheaper to buy 2x3s than a 6s brick I find. If it works well, maybe buy a couple better 6s bricks to use? Then you have a reason to pick up a 3s rig.. to use those 3s packs!!

 

[Jluther@becoinc]

I ment 4s hahaha I don't have any 3s

You definitely need to run 6s with that motor. Running 4s on a 6s rig is like using half your D#$& for F%$#ing. ! Yo can use a 4s and 2s to get 6s too

 

[Sumnig66]

Ok looks like I'll pick up a HW Max6 ESC and some 3s batteries to run with this 1250kv

 

[Tex Koder]

You definitely need to run 6s with that motor. Running 4s on a 6s rig is like using half your D#$& for F%$#ing. ! Yo can use a 4s and 2s to get 6s too

Hey now..
What are you implying!
I use 3S with my 6S Kraton..

It still gets the job done.

 

[Garcbomber]

Hey now..
What are you implying!
I use 3S with my 6S Kraton..

It still gets the job done.

 

[KnowAir]

I'm not disagreeing with what @K-BASH is saying. If he's done it successfully, I believe it's likely a good option.
The Firma 4985 1250kv is kind of an in between sized motor..between 1/8 and 1/5 scale. So not really working that hard in a 1/8 rig but a bit over worked in a 1/5 scale. I know, Arrma's 8s are really a 1/6 scale. But, basically, the 6s Arrma's are half the weight of the 8s models out of the box. Which also explains why Arrma 8s rigs are typically underwhelming in stock form.. too much heft for the 4985 motor, some even feel the 5687 is too slow.
In a 6s rig, that 4985 is plenty, perhaps too much. Depends on what one likes. So, 4985 on 4s? Gotta believe what K-Bash is saying, can fill the bill in some setups.
@Sumnig66 you already have everything to try 4s, maybe need to pickup the gears but otherwise, why not try it? If it's not enough on 4, give her 6s. The gearing from 4 to 6s won't be a huge change, maybe a few teeth different. I'd try it.

 

[K-BASH]

I'm not disagreeing with what @K-BASH is saying. If he's done it successfully, I believe it's likely a good option.
The Firma 4985 1250kv is kind of an in between sized motor..between 1/8 and 1/5 scale. So not really working that hard in a 1/8 rig but a bit over worked in a 1/5 scale. I know, Arrma's 8s are really a 1/6 scale. But, basically, the 6s Arrma's are half the weight of the 8s models out of the box. Which also explains why Arrma 8s rigs are typically underwhelming in stock form.. too much heft for the 4985 motor, some even feel the 5687 is too slow.
In a 6s rig, that 4985 is plenty, perhaps too much. Depends on what one likes. So, 4985 on 4s? Gotta believe what K-Bash is saying, can fill the bill.

When people say they have tried everything off road an alot on road everyone including myself thinks there full of bsI seriously honestly tried the most ridiculous shiot my 1st three years of park bashing..36mmm,40mm,56mm.stock escz max8,max6 an every esc castle ever made.until one really pushing a ride on 4s noone really knows what's capable. I've destroyed almost every off road tire ever made,belted,laced ,don't matter..I had the very 1st kraton/mojave on big holesshots.heres my 1st thread on this forum.lol
Thread 'MONSTER MOJAVE' https://www.arrmaforum.com/threads/monster-mojave.25445/
Noone in this conversation has ever tried 4s in a kraton geared correctly,but everyone knows what it'll doI've made over 10hp with 1 4s pack

 

[KnowAir]

I'm all for trying new setups/combos!! Even more enthusiastic for reusing what's on hand. Give er a go!! How else would we have ever come up with Lemonade?

 

[Tex Koder]

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[K-BASH]

I'm all for trying new setups/combos!! Even more enthusiastic for reusing what's on hand. Give er a go!! How else would we have ever come up with Lemonade?

That's the best part of this hobby is trying different shiot...

 

[KnowAir]

I've run 4s in all my 6s rigs at one time or another.. fine by me. I'm no high speed guy, at least not since I sold off my sport bike. I'm more focused on the long game these days.. how ironic that as our days become fewer, we become more conservative?!

 

[K-BASH]

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I feal I'm a lil overpaced..everyone used to think I had like 10+ rcz..only had like 4,5 I just completely changed them all the time..lol